The Plant Paradox: Can You Trust Dr. Gundry?

Today you will find a guest blog article from our Director of Research, Michael Donaldson, PhD.  Please enjoy the wealth of experience and wisdom this article entails:


Michael Donaldson, PhD writes:

Here at Hallelujah Diet we are constantly seeking to understand health and nutrition. We know that we understand only in part. And we have made improvements to the Hallelujah Diet program based on continuing research.

So, when a book comes along from a vegetarian doctor claiming to tell us “everything you thought you knew about your diet, your health, and your weight is wrong,” we checked it out. The Plant Paradox, authored by Steven R. Gundry, MD, came with some recommendation saying that it might help us understand what was “missing,” or “why the diet may not work for some.” Well, we try to help as many people as want to try the Hallelujah Diet, so we checked it out.

After the long introduction, pointing out his own expertise and clinically gained wisdom to speak to matters of health, and talking about the war between plants and animals (what?), I wanted to know if I could trust “Dr. G.”

First, I don’t buy the war between animals and plants or evolution.  In Genesis 1:29 God originally gave us the plant kingdom for food. My understanding of creation is that mankind is the crown jewel of all God created, and He put us in place to be good stewards of His creation. So, thinking that plants were made to be food for us just makes sense. There is a symbiotic relationship between mankind and plants, even indicated by their generation of oxygen for us and our generation of carbon dioxide for them. They are good for us and we are good for them.  I don’t see a war here.

So, I wanted to know if I could trust Dr. G. I can’t go interview any of his patients. I have no way of knowing if any of these stories in the book are valid. I assume so, but can I trust him to tell me the truth?

Well, how does he do with things I can verify, like scientific references?  I will give you a few examples and then let you decide for yourself.

First, in the Introduction, page xi, I came across his referral to gluten as a lectin. Gluten a lectin? That was a new one to me. So, I went to PubMed and checked it out. Here I found a reference to a study that examined lectin activity in gluten. It turned out that “Our results indicate that the lectin properties of gluten are due to traces of WGA.” (Pubmed #3839672) WGA is wheat germ agglutinin, a lectin. Well, how about gliadin, a component of gluten complex in wheat? Maybe he meant gliadin? Another study showed conclusively that, “Gliadin preparations failed to cause agglutination of any of the cells tested, whereas established pure plant lectins were active cell agglutinins.” (Pubmed #3709069). Conclusion: gluten and gliadin are not lectins.  Strike one for Dr. G. My suspicion is mounting. But maybe he is just a bit loose with the facts.

Second, as I was browsing through the book on page 209 I came across his take-down of peanuts. I’m interested in knowing why you shouldn’t eat peanuts, so I read more carefully. As near as I can tell by reading through 2 of the 3 full-text references, the claims he made here are not derived from the sources he referenced. He claims, “94 percent of humans carry a preformed antibody to the peanut lectin.” I got the impression that the reference would be something about this idea. Instead, the research group investigated using PNA (peanut agglutinin, a non-toxic lectin in peanuts) as a way to identify adenocarcinomas in esophageal biopsies by histological examination. The abnormal tissue bound PNA, whereas normal tissue did not. In fact, Table 1 and Figure 1 in the article show the normal control subjects as having very, very low binding of PNA. This is exactly the opposite of Dr. G’s claim of 94 percent! Strike 2 for Dr. G. My distrust is growing, but still not sure.

So, I went to the next reference in the paragraph and checked it out. The claim in the text is that lectin in peanut oil causes atherosclerosis in experimental animals, whereas peanut oil without lectin in it does not cause the disease (see p. 209). This would have been a great study to see. However, the reference is about identification of peanut lectin in someone who ate peanuts. I did not read the full-text of this article, not wanting to waste $31 on verifying this dubious claim. I found an abstract from the same authors and it looks like the same work (same title, too). In this study a person ate 200 grams of raw peanuts (not advised, who eats raw peanuts?) and peanut lectin was detected in his blood one hour later. This report has nothing to do with atherosclerosis or experimental animals or peanut oil. Strike 3 for Dr. G. He has not earned my trust.

But the “stunner” claim takes the cake.  In the next sentence Dr. G claims, “When peanuts are fed to humans and their resulting bowel movements are fed to rats, precancerous lesions appear in the rat colons.” When I read the reference I found Dr. G had grossly misused the scientific data, in every sense of the word.  First, the peanut lectin used in the study was purchased from Sigma Chemical, not derived from human feces (whew!). Second, this was an in vitro study using cell cultures, without the use of rats. Third, the study (again) points out the peanut lectin only binds to abnormal tissue lacking terminal sialic acid on the O-linked oligosaccharides of glycoproteins (Yes, I successfully defended my PhD thesis and published peer-reviewed articles on glycosylation and oligosaccharide processing in insect cells, trying to modify the cell culture environment so as to obtain terminally-linked sialic acid, the requirement for human therapeutic glycoproteins, so lectins and glycoprotein processing actually are in my field of expertise.) The cited reference was a molecular biology examination of how peanut lectin changes cell signaling pathways in a culture of HT29 colon cancer cells. Normal cells do not bind peanut lectin and peanut lectin does not cause precancerous lesions to appear. Strike 4 for Dr. G. You are out! (Sure, it only takes 3 strikes, but I was being generous and that last “stunner” claim was too much to leave alone.)

Do I trust Dr. Gundry to state the truth? No. Are the stories in the book true? I do not know, but I do not trust him. Knowing what I just told you, do you trust him?  If you aren’t sure, you should read the blog article from T. Colin Campbell as well. This careless use of the scientific literature exists throughout the entire book. For a novel “change-your-mind-about-everything-you-know-about-nutrition” idea, you had better document your argument very well. There is no way his arguments could stand up to peer-review and get published. Only among nutrition-confused Americans can you write a book to bash healthy foods and make it a best seller.

Are Americans really struggling with health from eating lectin-rich foods? Too much whole grain bread? Did we get fat by eating too much brown rice and beans and salsa? Too many tomatoes and sunflower seeds? Too much quinoa? Too much barleygrass juice? Really?

If you have an autoimmune disease what should you do? If you are overweight (after all, who isn’t in the USA?) what should you do? A 3-day juice fast is a great start. You need a clean slate to make a fresh start. A 7-day juice cleanse is even better; just get enough fresh juice, at least 2 quarts a day. Periodical cleansing is a good practice. Then eat more salads and vegetables.

What is the best way to dramatically increase your vegetable intake? Here is a “secret” that actually works: Get a juicer and use it. Drink at least 16 ounces of vegetable juice every day (at least 80% vegetables / 20% fruit for best results). You can make twice as much every other day and store the juice one or two days. Use your blender and make green smoothies, too. Then follow the Hallelujah Diet or make gradual changes to get you there.  If you follow the Hallelujah Diet you will dramatically improve your physical and mental health. Perfect health? No, not in this imperfect world, but yes, excellent health.

We will continue to serve you and put forward real solutions to help you improve your health. We are here to serve you, so let us know how we can best do that.

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106 comments

  1. Thank you for this article. I heard Dr G. on you tube. and if you believed him, everything you knew is wrong. I know there are non-Christians that are really intelligent and I have learned from them, however, when he kept saying we were evolved, that was offensive and didn’t want to hear what he had to say any longer

    • Yeah, Shirley, keep your head in the sand and continue to find evolution offensive.

      • To some it’s easier to believe that everything came from nothing by itself, they leave it at that without question. To others they look around and know that all they see on earth and ski could not possibly have started from nothing. Did the same salamander which evolved into an man also evolve into a bird, a lion, did it also leave the sea and plant itself in the ground and become an oak tree. Which is easier to be-leave, everything came from nothing by itself, or it was all created?

        • Only those with their head in a dark hole and weak thinking and logic skills could believe humans evolved from monkeys.

          • sure Becky and the Earth is flat and the center of the universe 🙂 – makes sense… very logical
            Almost 400 hundred years after Galileo Galilei left us…
            By the way what is wrong being simply a more evolved monkey species? Resemblance is obvious not even to go into the details of the DNA. You certainly accept that cats, tigers and lions are members of a family?

        • Becky – what you stated is actually a huge misconception on evolution: humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans/great apes and monkeys evolved from the same common ancestor (not a monkey), and evolutionary forces acted at the same time to produce monkeys and humans/great apes. Same thing happened with humans and other great apes; we share a common ancestor that was neither human nor a great ape, which is why we look and act similar to other apes (hands, feet, lack of tail, facial expressions, intelligence levels when compared to many non-primate animals, complex emotions, etc). Hope that clears some things up!

    • Dr. G is so often wrong or distorts research results so much that we certainly canNOT trust him. But we did evolve, and continue to, and this has nothing to do with his many errors.
      If you study biology at all, none of it makes sense without evolution. Sorry, talk to any biologist and they’ll say the same thing. It has nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible–I know this gives many believers a migraine, but evolution is as established (“proven,” in laymen’s words) as anything in science.
      I do not, for the life of me understand why Christians–or any others–would want to argue with evidence.

      • Where is your proof of Evolution?
        Evolution has been disproved many times over.
        The Holy Bible Says ” In the beginning GOD created..”
        nowhere does it say man or plants or anything else evolved.

        The fossil records do not show any evidence to support evolution, and there are many fossils that have been studied by top scientist in all fields.

        • Your “Fred” is buried in the sand. Who wrote the bible? I think most religious people have an incredible problem with time: We’re not talking about thousands of years…were talking about billions. Wake up religious people, organized religion was invented by powerful men to retain their power and wealth and control the multitudes. We hardly need it anymore as we have more than an adequate police force to handle this matter.

        • Oh Fred, REALLY!!!
          For goodness sake try looking and seeing!!

        • “Dis-proof” requires contrary proof, not disapproval. Evolution is simply a scientific explanation of how all things reached Now.

          Architecture has evolved. Engines, government, metals, ideas,… All benefit from the negative force of fitness.

          Suggesting the bible as history or representing history is mindless.
          The Rosetta stone, a business artifact that taught us to read mountains of Egyptian documents, “disproved” many biblical facts. No Hebrew slaves, no parting sea, and the 603,000 who defected in (Exodus 12:37) exceeded the entire population of the area as identified by tax documents of the period.

        • Proof of Evolution: Tadpole in water evolves to become a Frog – a good and simple fact of evolution

          Evolution Definition:
          the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form

      • All I can do is laugh at this statement.

    • I have tried the food plan Dr. Gundry recommends and have had amazing results. Not sure of all the research sited as wrong or right but my results are real and continued to improve! Lost over 30 lbs., gained energy, and my pain levels from arthritis has greatly DECREASED! Maybe the negative voices need to try the plan before they discredit it.

      • coralee parrish

        congrats neil! my husband has lost 96 pounds and is off his diabetes and diuretic meds. I have lost 110 pounds, and am finally pain free.. off all over the counter ibuprofen, tylenol, naproxen, etc… We have such great energy! Plant Paradox is amazing!!
        I don’t understand why the word “evolve” has such a negative influence on some people. One’s thinking can evolve or change.
        As a Christian, it is okay to use the “e” word and not fear damnation.

      • Thank you Neil. While Gundry might not be “on target” with everything he promotes, I think he is inside a circle of “goodness”. A lot of his ideas seem to help a lot. I’d suggest real low acid foods to help everyone. Veggies include broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, deseeded and deskinned zuccini, brussel sprots, cabbage, other crucif’s, no root veggie’s none (carrot, beet, turnip), real low acid fruits like Pears, maybe only pears, cut out the beans and nuts, and really, one of the best things you can do is eliminate any chocolate in your diet. Also, no night shades, and until healing is complete, get in the habit of peeling things. Sweet and regular potato is good, but only baked or boiled, and no skins until your 100% healed, then only occasionally. The root of this is GMO lectin CRY proteins, and it makes normal problems with lectins and aging much more of a problem. These cry proteins appear to not only affect the villi of the small intestines, but also the gastric sacks in your stomach that influence you bile production and hcl production, thus making fats and acids more difficult to neutralize and metabolize. This creates a calcium deficit in your blood stream, causing calcium leaching from your bones and teeth to buffer these non neutralized acids. Furthermore, there’s a downstream problem, non neutralized acid bath ,lectin soup now in your small intestines. Thus, further compromising villi functioning and nutrient absorption. This causes cronic inflammation by itself, and not accounting for the non metabolized proteins and fats that have now entered the blood stream because of leaky gut problems. Then you get those autoimmune food reactions, sensitivity to chemicals, depressed affect, brain fog, even septic shock, as the Candida takes over your gut. How’s your arm pits smell?

      • Joshua vanderzwan

        Well said. ..I think everyone got a little off topic there. They go from bashing an outstanding individual to arguing about religion and evelution. Helloooooo.
        Way to bring it back to what we were originally talking about. I think the guy who wrote the article is young to understand what he is really talking about. Life experience plays a large part in mature thinking. These young doctors think they know everything when they get out of school. Just because they have brains, doesn’t mean they know how to use’em.
        But I’m with you on Gundry’s theory’s.

  2. Thank you so much for this article. I enjoy and appreciate reading the “scientific sleuthing.”

  3. Good for you stick with God’s word, He will never lead you in a wrong direction

  4. Thanks for your research, the info today is mind boggling. We just need to use common sense and think of what nature provides vs the state of the food world today. Yes, you are right, we can’t control everything we put into our bodies (sadly) but we sure can use wisdom for the most part. Blessings!

  5. Wow! Thanks for this excellent and scholarly review of a book that is obviously neither excellent nor scholarly. Keep up the good work!

  6. Thank you Michael Donaldson for your response to the book, The Plant Paradox. Yes, it sounds like a number of the studies are not well documented. I have hear from other sources that scientific study results can be manipulated to proved whatever the interested party wants to prove.

    I’m encouraged by the reminder that juicing and green smoothies can make a difference in my health. I especially like the green smoothies because they are less time consuming than juicing. When the green are blended instead of eating them in a salad, they are easier to digest, so more nutrition is being absorbed into my body.

  7. thank you for this information. I’ve read articles from Dr. G and seen some of his Youtubes, somehow it seems that something was “off”. I didn’t realized he claimed to be a vegetarian, but gave recipes that included meat, it was just something that didn’t seem Kosher. Again, thank you for this information.

    • As in all scientific theories,there is some truth ,and many questions here…
      I think Dr.Gundry is definitely on the right track with the diet info…
      Some of his claims may be questionable,For me,I am dealing with the weight loss part.,I may try the diet and get the book The Plant Paradox…Still,I feel like it might be better to just do it,and see what happens…
      Most of what he says is true,and I think he is
      Trustworthy…

      • Sue,
        Absolutely. All we can do is try, and if it works, then great. If not, try something else. We learn through success and through the not-so-great results, too.

  8. Thank you for giving facts to combat this author who is “tickling” the ears of his readers. I hope
    he does not do this for gain of monies.
    “God’s ways are not man’s ways”

  9. Michael, This is Vickie Allen from the Juicing Study. I don’t remember why but I stopped reading his articles months ago. I am just glad that you validated what I was thinking. No pain but I have the Drs. baffled as to why one of my liver count total is remaining high. If a regular test it shows normal but when they to an indepth test, that one total comes back high risk even though I’m taking a liver cleansing vitamin. But by general Dr. says “not to worry”.
    Thank you for the article even though most was over by head but I got the general jest and that’s what matters.
    Blessings to the whole Hallelujah Diet family.

  10. Thank you Dr. Donaldson for your accumulated knowledge, research background & comments. You are a God-send to be on our side & watching out for us. We trust you & appreciate you. God bless you & your family.

  11. I read your critique with great care and now some apprehension…..very interesting!! Do you have any insight to his “Dr.G Diet Evolution” ? also with regards to the product “prebiothrive” and how it compares to what is offered by hallelujah diet and products? Thanks..would really like a reply..

    • The Prebio Thrive looks like a legitimate product. It is expensive for what is in there. At Hallelujah Diet we add prebiotic fiber to our Advanced Superfood and Essential Protein powders. It is the cheapest part of the formula. Agave inulin, and acacia gum in both, and chia seeds in the protein powder. But our formulas don’t stop with prebiotic fiber. Feeding your gut bacteria is critical. Beneficial bacteria thrive on plant fibers, gums, and resistant starches. Eating a plant-based diet does feed them well for most people, but some people need more help to regain balance.

      • Thank you so much for your reliable and informative analysis. I really respect your work. What are your thoughts on two of his other products that I take every morning with my PrebioThrive: Vital Reds & Primal Plants? David

      • Dr. Donaldson, will you comment on Dr. Gundry’s statement that we should use a pressure cooker when we cook beans so that the lectins are rendered harmless (or maybe they are just diminished in their ability to hurt us–I’d have to go look up exactly what he says, but I don’t have the book in hand at present). Thank you!

      • Very true..plus what effect does medication have on all this?

  12. Dr. B. E. Culbreth

    Thank you so much for doing the research–and sharing the results thereof–on “The Plant Paradox” by Steven R. Gundry. It saddens me that so many people will purchase that book and will follow the advice of Steven R. Gundry simply because the cover of the book states that it is a New York Times Bestseller. Unfortunately, a best-selling book does not mean the book contains accurate information.

  13. I have found that “Juicing” is very time consuming and adds quite a bit to the grocery bill. For both reasons, many people let it go by the wayside. However, it may be the best thing we can do for ourselves. Recently, I started using cabbage in my juice which is always reasonably priced and easy to prep. I would love to hear what others have done to maintain a juicing regimen, especially if they get up well before dawn like I do.

  14. Excellent article that explains the TRUTH, Dr. Michael! Even if Dr. Gundry is correct is some of his ideas on leptins, the answer is to consume more proteases that are found in certain plants as in pineapple and papaya. If those are not available, then taking digestive enzymes is the next best bet. Keep up the good work.
    Dr. Fred, DC, MS

  15. My husband and I have been following Plant Paradox since April 8, 2017. We take the prebiothrive, primal plants, and vital reds everyday. I have lost over 100 pounds, and my health has vastly improved. My husband lost 85 pounds, and is off his diabetes and diuretic medications.
    I know that he is real “wordy” in his books and it takes some time to read… BUT, the results are amazing! Yes, it is a very restrictive diet… but, I have lost 100 pounds without exercising yet! This is all from following his eating plan!
    And I am 52…
    I have been on and off diets my entire life.
    I have tried everything twice!
    Dr Gundry was my last ditch effort before gastric bypass consideration.
    I am very grateful to have found him!
    I am also a Christian… and I do not find his use of the word evolve offensive at all. We are ALL evolving! That can mean anything from our spiritual growth to how our bodies respond to change…
    I will not be discouraged by your article/blog as I am LOVING the results of Plant Paradox! I have clients who have asked my how I have lost so much weight.. who have also started Plant Paradox and cannot believe their own results!
    I am also off ALL over the counter medications.. to include ibuprofen, naproxen, acetaminophen, benadryl, zyrtec, and sleep aid. I do not have severe joint pain anymore… and I was having to use a walker on and off prior to plant paradox…
    I hope a different perspective will help one of your readers who may be ready to just give up… as I was.
    thank you

    • Coralee, Thank you for your testimonial.

    • Dear Coralee,

      I read your testimonial and I’m in awe. I started reading his book and I’m very interested in knowing how you did it…can you please email me at zsesteacher@aol.com. Thank you so much for the info!!!!

      • Coralee,
        Maybe you could tell us all what foods you included and excluded. Congratulations for no longer needing OTC meds.

        • coralee parrish

          hi melody… in the book there is a yes and no list. We have modified our grocery list to yes foods only. We do not knowingly deviate. Our normal yes veggies are asparagus, mushrooms, cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, parsnips, raw carrots, brussel sprouts, rutabega, jicama, sweet potatoes. We are still in the weight loss phase so we do not eat fruit right now. We snack on nuts.. pistachios, walnuts, blanched almonds, and pecans. We usually have a large container of these nuts in the frig with a half cup scooper.. But for the most part, we do not really measure portions. Salads were a challenge, as most dressings contain soybean or canola oils. I finally make my own! (1/3 cup of EVOO, 1/3 cup of apple cider vinegar, 1/8 cup of organic dijon mustard, and fresh cracked pepper) I am also dutch.. so I HAVE to have chocolate.. I eat dark chocolate over 72% cocoa without any soy lecithin in it.(that was a challenge too as soy lecithin is an emulsifier and in most chocolate bars)
          We are so happy that our tastes have evolved.. and we no longer have any of our former (unhealthy) cravings. and for that, I am so grateful.
          I am also so grateful to be pain free without taking medications! I bought flowers and dirt for the first time in FOUR years to plant around my house! I know that may sound silly to some people.. but, it can bring me to tears.. happy tears!

          • Coralee,
            Thanks for the explanation! What a wonderful inspiration you are. I love the part about snacking on nuts. They are the perfect snack. And thanks for the salad dressing recipe! Wow, no wonder you are feeling so good.

          • hi Coralee…as Melody rightly says: you are a wonderful inspiration 🙂
            I watched the video. Certainly a lot of clever selling and probably a bit of “interpretation” but I find the message to be very interesting and sensible. So I am not surprised it can help.
            So glad it helped you in your everyday’s life. Thanks for sharing the emotions too 🙂

    • Hello, thank you so much for your post. I was intrigued by Dr. Gundry’s information, much of it did make sense. I am 50 years old and have been dealing with very painful Rhuematoid Arthritis; as well as low energy, restless sleep, digestive problems, etc. I almost have not energy or desire to make the changes needed, but am praying for strength to do so. I appreciate your comments, as I don’t see why some of Gundry’s suggestions, and some from this site. Thanks Coralee for your input, like the people that have replied to you above, do you think you can email me and share more?

      • coralee parrish

        of course I will email you!
        I KNOW that feeling of low energy and I also thought “why bother? It probably wont work anyway…” I was THERE! but I watched his video. I read the book. and it made sense to me.. well, I skimmed parts of it.. but, I had already read Diet Evolution, Dr Gundry’s first book. I did order the prebiothrive.. which I thought was the magic elixir that took away my appetite and cravings. But I have not used his products since dec/2017 and I am still doing well!
        When people ask me ‘what’s my secret?’ and I start to tell them about my eating plan.. I SEE their eyes start to glaze over… and the wave of regret for asking me! But, I have also had several people buy the book and follow the program with fantastic results! One friend kept saying that it didnt work for her.. but then she also confessed to eating pizza, icecream, fruit, etc… I told her to give it 2 weeks.. commit to 2 weeks, and most of those cravings will disappear. It truly is amazing..
        There is also a facebook page that is a wealth of information, well it is a wealth of information for me.. it has recipes.. suggestions.. it made this process a lot easier.

    • Coralee, thanks again for your testimony. I appreciate your real-world results. I think most people will get better without Dr. G’s program, but some autoimmune disorders leave few choices. Congratulations on your diligence in sticking with a difficult diet and speaking up.

      My guess is that Dr. G gets some results, but the explanation for them is just really off. Lectins are not black and white. Some are beneficial. The lectins seem like a selling point, not sound science.

      • coralee parrish

        thank you for your kind response.
        I have to admit that I found PP rather wordy too. I skimmed some of the science. I have a bachelor of science in PE, an associate of science in PT.. and it took me awhile to get through the first few chapters. I felt like I had to take notes!
        BUT, it works for me. and my husband. I’ve lost 110 pounds now! Energy is high! Appetite is low! Still off all over the counter meds.. NO PAIN. and a few months ago, my paramedic husband had to drag me out the house in a wheelchair because I was in too much pain to walk!!
        I am over 50 years old.. and have been on diet after diet.. this does not seem like a diet. I don’t even like calling it that. it is a eating plan/lifestyle.
        To me, the actual explanation of why we should avoid lectins makes sense. It makes sense to me because avoiding them has worked for me and many others.
        I appreciate your being open to hear our results… thank you.

    • That’s a factual testimony. Thank you Michael.
      We’ve read this book twice. Started gently adjusting our diet first. Than taking vital reds every morning, or even every second morning with great pleasure.
      By the way its the first powder Ive ever taken in my life. I am 58 yo and my husband is 69yo. So, we have nothing to loose by experimenting…. 😉
      So far so good. I look great, almost 15 years younger, feel great, my joint pain is easing, with the quality of my bowl movements I would win a competition… 😉 My hair is stronger, my nails beautiful. I feel energy and I sleep like a baby. My husband stopped his blood pressure tablets, lost some weight.
      Still it’s more to do, as we just can’t stick to Dr Gundry’s diet so easily.
      Time and our improving health will tell us mor as we go.
      Please, be open minded and question scientists. Specially watch what and how much you eat.
      My best regards.
      Maria Creager

    • FINALLY! Someone who actually knows what she is talking about. Thank you for your informative response and congratulations!
      I get so tired of christians hating on people for not believing EXACTLY what they believe…you are a breath of fresh air.

    • Thank you for sharing your results

  16. Ok, so Dr. Gundry has an MD and you have a PhD. Long story short, this means that Dr. Gundry is someone who is actually in the real world applying his knowledge to actual real patients. A PhD is someone who sits in a classroom and pontificates about his very narrow field of knowledge. A PhD is someone who is paid to conduct myopic research and publish in peer-reviewed journal articles, but to do so they need to often focus on minutia that only those relative few in the field actual care about. Often PhDs work toward advancing THEORY which may or may not have real world applicability.

    MDs focus much more on real world application. They do not necessarily focus on trying to get peer-reviewed publications in an effort to get tenure so that they can then basically retire at the age of 40 and hit on the young coeds.

    MDs, especially one of Dr. Gundry’s relative fame, do have a practitioners license they need to protect. PhDs have no such license or official certification board such as the AMA.

    So, based on only such variables I’d say I’m better off trusting an Doctorate of Medicine (MD) than a Doctorate of Philosophy (PhD).

    I’l also add that a significant portion of the peer-reviewed literature is garbage. It’s rehashed stuff in an effort to get publications. At tier one universities professors are expected to publish at least twice a year in peer-reviewed journals, so they cut corners and find ways to rehash, reuse, or simply add a twist in an effrt to get a publication. It happens in both qualitative and quantitative research.

    In addition, about the “successful defense” of the dissertation. Often, at that stage of the game, the defense is a mere formality as the doctoral committee has pretty much already signed off on it and the actual defense is merely a right of passage scenario.

    • Thanks for your insight Leslie, this makes sense as well!

    • Maybe instead of approaching the argument form the standpoint of authority(which unfortunately the author of the article has as well by invoking the Bible), you could address the specific points the author made regarding very specific points in Dr. Gundry’s book. As an atheist, a reference to the Bible as an appeal to authority is a major turn off for me when reading an article, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and the points the author makes are very specific and make me want to do my own personal research on those points.
      This does not necessarily mean that none of Dr. Gundry’s ideas are valid, the point of the article is that due to poor use of information and research, his claims can be viewed as dubious.
      That moment when someone quoting the Bible feels more trustworthy than a doctor referencing studies by providing good points based in logic, rather than faith.

    • Thank you Leslie, that’s make sense.
      By the way, you always need to question everything.
      Thank you again.
      Maria Creager

    • Wow!
      I know we just met…but…will you marry me? 🙂

    • Amen and amen. I am a Christian and still prayerfully consider Dr. G’s plan to be a lifesaver. I have rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, and fibromyalgia. I am on opiods and was still in constant pain. After a couple of months on the diet, I have greatly reduced pain, am coming off the pills, have greater energy and am approaching normal weight. I don’t know why the diet works, but I know Dr. G has seen it work in practice over and over again, and though the reasons may not match the studies, I will stick with it even though it is a bit inconvenient. Yes, everything is (was) clean for us to eat at Peter’s time, but with GMO’s, pesticides, fertilizers and the Lord knows what else is happening to our food supply perhaps not everything is as healthy as it used to be. Also, where are the peer reviewed studies that show that juicing, and green smoothies etc. are the way to go?
      I know an answer to prayer when I experience it. Don’t pooh pooh Dr. Gundry because you are jealous. It is not becoming.

  17. Dear Mr. Donaldson,

    I am a Christian and believe in Creation and that God made plants for our good. When I was given this book by my chiro who is helping me and my husband get through some health issues, I took it home and dug in. The first thing I noticed is Dr. Gundry’s several references to evolution, and “400 million yrs ago…” so I knew that the book was not going to have God’s truth stamped all over it BUT I decided to read further knowing that even non Christian scientists and researchers can have valid information. They just give evolution the credit and not the Creator.

    I read through the first few chapters, thoroughly trying to absorb the process of how plants give off lectins to protect themselves against prey and how lectins can harm our gut, resulting in health problems. I also read about the trillions of bacteria and organisms we have in our intestinal lining, on our skin, and in the air around us that can help us combat certain lectins (sounds like God right there). Dr. Gundry also addresses how the FDA labels on meats can be misleading and how grass fed beef if the best for us. He explains how animals that are fed soy based and corn diet are harmful to us. He is not a vegetarian nor does he promote a primarily vegetarian diet as you have stated above.

    Your article is disappointing to me because you seemed to have skimmed through the book and quickly dismissed any pertinent truth because of the fact that the author is an evolutionist. If you were trying to disprove any of his scientific data he collected, you did not have a strong argument at all. This guy (believer or not) has been in the medical practice for years and years and has had real breakthrough and answers for his patients. All you keep saying is “I don’t know if his stories are true or not”. Your argument is all your opinion. Do you think you could come up with an actual real argument and thesis based on relevant scientific research that supports the fact that God did create plants for our good and maybe what lectins actually do and the real answers of how the Creator intended this to all work??

    Do you ever watch Ken Ham and Bill Nye debate? They both use data and evidence and NOT just their opinions. Bill Nye may be wrong but he doesn’t use “I think this or I think that” as He just doesn’t understand God’s wisdom. Yes, you did note a few published

    Try again sir. Most Creationists are aware that scientific evidence actually supports Creation. So find it. Why did God create lectins at all? Did this all start after the fall of man? How about having a real medical doctor/naturopath who has studied nutrition for years and years and has treated patients, and performed surgeries, and worked in medical laboratories actually write the article to make the same point you are trying to make, that is that Dr. Gundry’s Plant Paradox is wrong.

    • Amy, I am sorry to disappoint you with my article. I tried to verify what I could as a scientist, that is all. It could be that he is a good doctor but a bad scientist. Dr. G disappointed me with his use of the facts that could be independently verified. I don’t think his program is for everyone.

      • True, I also believe that if people are healthy and fit without any medical conditions that they know of, then Dr. Gundry’s plan is not for them. They’re very fortunate with great genes. Most of us are not that fortunate and our lifestyle and the foods (mostly unhealthy) we’ve been accustomed to eat over the years has caused us to develop health problems and weight gain. After reading how all carbs and sugars even in small to moderate amounts are just causing so many problems in our health, l don’t disagree I’m willing to try his diet evolution plan and see if it really works for me. Obviously, my diet of whole grains, fruits and veggies and low fat is not working even with added exercise. I’m prediabetic, overweight with high cholesterol. Worth a try.

        • coralee parrish

          There is also several facebook pages that have been a great help to me. Some people have been on the diet evolution and then transferred to the plant paradox when it came out… so they have been doing this for years with amazing results.
          I hope you gave it a try.. keep us posted!

        • I too question the results I would get since I take meds…
          The diet in the Diet evolution book is pretty strict,but I am going to try it with modifications and see

    • “Your article is disappointing to me because you seemed to have skimmed through the book and quickly dismissed any pertinent truth because of the fact that the author is an evolutionist.”

      And your comment is dissapointing because you seemed to have skimmed through it and quickly dismissed any pertinent truth because of the fact that the author is a creationist. Granted, I wanted to do the same, but I continued reading.

      “If you were trying to disprove any of his scientific data he collected, you did not have a strong argument at all.”
      He provided specific references the doctors book and then references to the studies.

      “All you keep saying is “I don’t know if his stories are true or not”.”
      Not true. The author made specific points, and if you do not know what they are, I’d be happy to point them out.

      “Your argument is all your opinion.”
      Not true, here are quotes from the article that reference studies, not opinions(the links wont transfer in copy paste, but you can scroll up to find the actual link):
      ” Here I found a reference to a study that examined lectin activity in gluten.”

      “Another study showed conclusively that, “Gliadin preparations failed to cause agglutination of any of the cells tested, whereas established pure plant lectins were active cell agglutinins.” ”

      “He claims, “94 percent of humans carry a preformed antibody to the peanut lectin.” I got the impression that the reference would be something about this idea. Instead, the research group investigated using PNA (peanut agglutinin, a non-toxic lectin in peanuts) as a way to identify adenocarcinomas in esophageal biopsies by histological examination.”

      ” found an abstract from the same authors and it looks like the same work (same title, too). In this study a person ate 200 grams of raw peanuts (not advised, who eats raw peanuts?) and peanut lectin was detected in his blood one hour later. This report has nothing to do with atherosclerosis or experimental animals or peanut oil.”

      ” When I read the reference I found Dr. G had grossly misused the scientific data, in every sense of the word. ”

      All of those quotes have links to studies, articles. So while the author may have an opinion on Dr. Gundry(and so do you, everyone has an opinion), he actually spends the effort to try to justify it.

      “Do you think you could come up with an actual real argument and thesis based on relevant scientific research that supports the fact that God did create plants for our good and maybe what lectins actually do and the real answers of how the Creator intended this to all work??”

      Yes, please refer to links the author provided and address them before claming the author is not credible due to his belief in creationism.( a weird statement coming from an atheist, but I am also a stickler for healthy debate)

    • So Amy, tell me, how old is Earth, our solar system, the universe?

  18. Dear Dr. Donaldson (w/ a cc: to Ms. Leslie B),
    I’m SO grateful to finally read someone who has the epistemological chops take Gundry to task on his cynical, cavalier, reckless approach to certain key points of his radical diet hypotheses.

    That is all I will say, other than to offer this: my husband and I *were* patients of Dr. G’s, and would be more than happy to talk to you anytime and share our experience! (Teaser: the glib, cavalier approach is front and center there as well.)

    Marcy Axness, PhD
    author, “Parenting for Peace: Raising the Next Generation of Peacemakers”

  19. There are contradictions among most medical studies. One study says this is good, another study says its bad – both studies by credible people / institutions. This fact is a challenge so yes, its hard to know who’s guidance to follow. My experience tells me that “inflammation” is widely agreed as a health problem, certainly in Heart Disease. Inflammation is caused by the Immune system. It is the immune system that rejects for example a transplanted organ thinking its a foreign object. Dr Gundry holds the record for the most child heart transplants and the longest pig to baboon heart transplant. As he says “I know how to fool the immune system and I know how it is fooled”. This is in reference to Lectins. In this regard, I find the credentials of Dr Gundry not only impeccable, indisputable but more importantly, directly related to the subject matter in hand. He is incredibly qualified to make the points that he makes. While I agree with a few points of the blog, there is no question folksy Dr Gundry needs a marketing makeover and to tighten up some of the copy and presentation.
    I’ve read a lot on health, diet, supplements. I got my LDL down from 114 (not too high) to 52 with supplements and no statins. I follow diets 100%. I have switched to Dr Gundrys diet. He actually got me off 100% vegetarian to now include wild Salmon. His lectin restrictions are not too bad at home, using a pressure cooker etc, but hard in a restaurant. So I’m cooking a lot more at home now. I do welcome a sensible counter argument.

    • “I do welcome a sensible counter argument.”
      Then please address the specific points the author of this article made. Whether he is right or not, at least the author of the article went to the trouble, let me point it out to you:

      This is a counter argument, providing reference to back it
      “First, in the Introduction, page xi, I came across his referral to gluten as a lectin. Gluten a lectin? That was a new one to me. So, I went to PubMed and checked it out. Here I found a reference to a study that examined lectin activity in gluten. It turned out that “Our results indicate that the lectin properties of gluten are due to traces of WGA.” (Pubmed #3839672) WGA is wheat germ agglutinin, a lectin. Well, how about gliadin, a component of gluten complex in wheat? Maybe he meant gliadin? Another study showed conclusively that, “Gliadin preparations failed to cause agglutination of any of the cells tested, whereas established pure plant lectins were active cell agglutinins.” (Pubmed #3709069). Conclusion: gluten and gliadin are not lectins.

      Here’s another:
      Second, as I was browsing through the book on page 209 I came across his take-down of peanuts. I’m interested in knowing why you shouldn’t eat peanuts, so I read more carefully. As near as I can tell by reading through 2 of the 3 full-text references, the claims he made here are not derived from the sources he referenced. He claims, “94 percent of humans carry a preformed antibody to the peanut lectin.” I got the impression that the reference would be something about this idea. Instead, the research group investigated using PNA (peanut agglutinin, a non-toxic lectin in peanuts) as a way to identify adenocarcinomas in esophageal biopsies by histological examination. The abnormal tissue bound PNA, whereas normal tissue did not. In fact, Table 1 and Figure 1 in the article show the normal control subjects as having very, very low binding of PNA. This is exactly the opposite of Dr. G’s claim of 94 percent!”

      Here’s another:
      The claim in the text is that lectin in peanut oil causes atherosclerosis in experimental animals, whereas peanut oil without lectin in it does not cause the disease (see p. 209). This would have been a great study to see. However, the reference is about identification of peanut lectin in someone who ate peanuts. I did not read the full-text of this article, not wanting to waste $31 on verifying this dubious claim. I found an abstract from the same authors and it looks like the same work (same title, too). In this study a person ate 200 grams of raw peanuts (not advised, who eats raw peanuts?) and peanut lectin was detected in his blood one hour later. This report has nothing to do with atherosclerosis or experimental animals or peanut oil.”

      If you claim to want sensible counter arguments, then you should consider these as such and provide your own sensible counter argument if you think otherwise.

  20. My full trust is in Dr. Gundry. Thank you Dr. Gundry for my new vibrant health.

  21. It is clear what is going on: Dr. Gundry, who successfully transformed his own health, linked up with Anthony Robbins. Next thing you know we have products to sell, books, an entire Dr. Gundry industry. Dr. Donaldson pretty much trashes the research behind Gundry’s new empire. Get the marketing machine rolling! The next Nutri-System (which I tried. There is a reason it works, the food is awful). Remember Billy Banks kick boxing videos? Dr. Gundry will someday be on Dancing with the Stars or the ex-President’s Celebrity Apprentice, season 6.

    • With his diet programme that is improving the life of thousands.

    • coralee parrish

      I bought his book. and I did take the prebiothrive for several months. but, I don’t buy his products anymore. And most Gundry followers that I know, do not buy his products.
      I DID think they were the magic elixir that was decreasing my appetite and increasing my energy… but, since I haven’t used his products since Dec/2017, I have come to a different conclusion.
      it is the actual food I am eating(or not eating) that is giving me my results!!

  22. and who’s to say I can trust YOU??

    I’m not doing the Bacon Experiment by Dan Quibell and feel healthier than ever!

  23. Thank you Michael for your review ..We nee more people like you educated and slightly skeptical in a good way!!( I personally never listen to Gundry -like clips on line if there is no way to fast forward the video! No fast forward no listen. )

  24. I was listening to Dr Gundry. Sounds good and waiting for info…but I recall listening to a financial genius 10 years ago who kept promising and circling until I fell asleep and woke up and he was still talking and never communicating. Maybe it works and maybe not. If it does cheers to all. But selling books…i’m not interested in internet sales.

  25. Michael, it appears you did not read the book in its entirety. I think that’s unfair. I am a creationist and agree with you that Dr. Gundry is incorrect in his evolutionary arguments, especially where he implies that plants can think. But I actually see God’s design in this book, even if Gundry doesn’t. For example, Gundry argues that we humans were not meant to eat fruit year round. Doesn’t that scream creation to you? He explains that in order to eat fruit year round, fruit must be picked unripe and then injected later to make it appear ripe. He also argues that when we eat fruit, that signals to our body to store fat, because fruit is meant to be eaten in the summer and storing fat prepares us for the upcoming winter. All of this is a beautiful explanation of God’s design. Can I ask you a favor? Would you consider reading the entire book and then writing another review? Whether your review is positive or negative, I think you should read the book in order to give it a fair shake.

    FWIW, I have not yet tried the plant paradox diet, nor have I tried his products. I’m almost finished reading the book and find it incredible intriguing. I’m strongly considering it seeing as I’ve tried everything else under the sun and nothing seems to work. I’m only 34yo and have struggled with health issues since high school. I’ve seen doctors in many states, including MDs, NDs, chiropractors, etc.

    • Hi WillCD,
      Thank you for your comment.
      Ive just found Dr Gundry half a year ago. I’m 58yo and I have nothing to loose by experimenting, but what I want to tell you that’s this diet and vital reds works for me with a great results.
      Try it gently and observe results.
      Wishing you all the best.
      Maria Creager

  26. Dr. Donaldson, is there a scientifically verified LIST somewhere that outlines the lectin content of foods? If so, could you publish a LINK? Is there credibility to Gundry’s claims that BEANS (legumes) have a high lectin content? Is there credibility to his claims that night-shade plants have a high lectin content? (meaning, I should cut out or minimize tomatoes, bell peppers, squash, and potatoes). I’ve been looking at and studying Dr. Joel Fuhrman’s GBOMB-T diet for the last few years and Dr. Fuhrman would recommend BEANS and TOMATOES daily. Dr. Gundry would say NO beans and tomatoes due to lectin content. I’ve been informally internet researching “LEAKY GUT” and lots of other gastro doctors are now mentioning lectin and beans and night-shade plants… can you comment on any of this? I too am after truth…. sounds like you have a strong background in dealing with lectins, and I value your response if you get a chance…

  27. Why are you Yanks banging on about religion?Its about personal health.I started Gundrys diet in January and lost 8kg (just under 20 pound),my type 2 diabeties was gone by the start of week 3.The only way this diet won’t work for you is if you don’t follow it.I believe 4kg a week you could loose if you follow it to the letter.

  28. Seems to me that regardless of specific diet plan, if a person goes from eating a SAD diet to a plant-based diet, avoiding processed foods, sugar, meats and dairy, they will enjoy improved health.

  29. Talking from experience..Recently bought vital reds from Dr.Gundry however after trying it the first day I felt pain in my stomach thinking it was maybe the juice was working and it was natural.. the following days passed and I was feeling worst… headache.. which i never had…i quit..Since then I have been trying to be more inform on Dr. Gundry and his sponsors if any…

  30. Great comments from all of you. I am currently on week four or Gundry’s diet. 238 – 222lbs. My wife, who had a lot less to lose has lost 6 pounds. I consider myself in pretty good shape with a 12,000 step “Fit Bit” average. We are both saved by the grace of Christ. The one thing that hit home with me, was the fact that we have evolved from a non sugar, store fat for the winter diet of the previous 10,000 years to adding sugar to our French Fries in the form of Ketchup. We are now drinking gallons of sugar in the form of soft drinks and fruit juice. All I know is that by telling your body that “winter is coming” year round can’t be healthy. I’m feeling great telling my body that winter is “here” so use up the fat I’ve stored. I’m also saving a ton of money…

  31. I like his prebiotic supplement, its helping me a lot, but Im glad to have the information provided re his poor use of “science” to support his claims. I’m trying to learn, so are lectins bad? should we be pressure cooking? (not natural), soaking, peeling? or even juicing?? whats natural about juicing? Why are humans in such great need to be educated as to how to eat?

  32. I am a 57 year old male and am 6 feet tall.

    When I started taking the prebiotic supplements just 3 weeks ago, I could not tie my own shoes without problems breathing. I weighed 215 when I started and have now lost 18 pounds. I plan to lose another 9 pounds to get to my target weight of 188. I have not exercised while on the diet.

    I have stuck to the menus recommended, and have learned to enjoy healthier foods.

    I still drink as many Coors lights as I want every day.

  33. All I have to say is… Why don’t you try it first and see if it works for YOU!? If the diet helps, congrats and keep riding it. If it doesn’t, then so be it.

    People who have gone this far to look for a solution for their personal body issues have came across Dr. Gundry through their research. No religion needed to try and stay healthy.

  34. Credentials: hard to argue with…
    Steven R. Gundry, M.D., is a cum laude graduate of Yale University
    graduating Alpha Omega Alpha from the Medical College of Georgia School of Medicine

    Dr. Gundry completed residencies in General Surgery and Thoracic Surgery at the University of Michigan

    Clinical Associate at the National Institutes of Health. There,

    invented devices that reverse the cell death seen in acute heart attacks; variations of these devices subsequently became the Gundry™ Retrograde Cardioplegia Cannula. It has become the world’s most widely used device of its kind to protect the heart from damage during open-heart surgery. After completing a

    fellowship in congenital heart surgery at The Hospital for Sick Children, Great Ormond Street, in London, Dr. Gundry was recruited as

    Professor and Chairman of Cardiothoracic Surgery at Loma Linda University Medical Center. There,

    he and his partner, Leonard Bailey, pioneered infant and pediatric heart transplantation. Together, they have performed more such transplants than any other surgeons in the world.

    pioneered the field of xenotransplantation, the study of how the genes of one species react to the transplanted heart of a foreign species.

    one of the original twenty investigators of the first FDA-approved implantable left ventricular assist device (a kind of artificial heart).

    Dr. Gundry is also the inventor of the Gundry Ministernomy, the widely used minimally invasive approach to aortic- or mitral-valve repair, the Gundry Lateral Tunnel, a “living” tissue that can rebuild parts of the heart in children with severe congenital heart malformations; and the Skoosh™ venous cannula, the most widely used cannula in minimally invasive heart operations.
    father of robotic surgery, as a consultant to Computer Motion (now Intuitive Surgical),

    Dr. Gundry received early FDA approval to use robotic-assisted minimally invasive surgery for coronary artery-bypass and mitral-valve operations.

    holds patents on devices for connecting blood vessels and coronary artery bypasses without sutures, as well as for repairing the mitral valve without the need for sutures or a heart-lung machine.

    served on the Board of Directors of the American Society of Artificial Internal Organs (ASIAO)

    founding board member and treasurer of the International Society of Minimally Invasive Cardiothoracic Surgery (ISMICS). He

    two successive elected terms as President of the Board of Directors of the American Heart Association, Desert Division.
    Dr. Gundry has been elected a
    Fellow of the American College of Surgeons,
    the American College of Cardiology,
    the American Surgical Association,
    the American Academy of Pediatrics,
    and the College of Chest Physicians.

    author of more than three hundred articles, chapters, and abstracts in peer-reviewed journals on surgical, immunology, genetic, nutrition, and lipid investigations.

    Inspired by the stunning reversal of coronary artery disease in an “inoperable” patient, using a combination of dietary changes and nutriceutical supplements, in 2001, Dr. Gundry changed the path of his career.
    Dr. Gundry founded and has served as Medical Director of The International Heart and Lung Institute in Palm Springs, California, which serves patients referred from across the nation.

    Founder and Director of The Center for Restorative Medicine, part of the Institute. Its mission is to prevent and reverse the chronic diseases of “ageing” with diet and nutriceutical interventions, using surgical intervention for heart and vascular disease as a last resort.

  35. “Only among nutrition-confused Americans can you write a book to bash healthy foods and make it a best seller.”

    Brilliant and so true!

  36. I spent about 20 minutes listening to Dr. Gundry’s video. As many of us I probably started doubting the world and anything around me. It all sounded so reasonable and amazing. I frantically started thinking: OMG, I need to change my diet NOW, how much food with lectin do I eat, etc. THEN I came to the part where Dr. Gundry said: BUT you can eat all this food (except legumes, eggplant and soy beans) IF you buy my Lectin Blocker (or whatever it was called) for $80 a jar, and this is where I quietly closed the video. Yet another buy my product marketing scam.
    Newsflash people, most diets will work if you stick to it, so is his diet. You stick to it, you feel amazing, you fall off the wagon you will gain those pounds quicker than you will be able to say Lectin. But just like any diets, you eliminate certain foods and you start lacking certain nutrients and you will feel it too, later but you will. Human diet should have variety but everything in moderation. Look at Mediterranean diet: pasta, zucchini, eggplant, legumes and somehow considered one of the healthiest people on this planet.
    Blaming health issues on one factor is stupid: it is different for everyone, but staying active, eating healthy and variety of foods is a part of it. I understand everyone wants a quick way to fix everything, but for the love of God do not fall for these $80/jar marketing scams.

    • Thanks for your insight.

    • Yes they are doing research and developing a vaccine (was supposed to be out about four years ago) against cholesterol. They were studying the 400 club, those with cholesterol off the charts above 400 with no health ramifications. Nightshades simply aren’t good for humans. They do everything they can to produce poisons. The last things in my garden, only eaten out of desperation by wildlife, are nightshades. I have heard this my entire life (I’m creeping up on 50) and I believe it to be true. The rest of the Gandy diet I can’t speak to

    • Most diets work to do what? Maybe you need to refine your definition of a proper diet. The focus Of a diet should be your long term health, not losing weight.
      Such a diet will bring your weight to a stable healthy weight.

  37. Why is it such a stretch to think that God built-in the ability of the plants and animals he CREATED to EVOLVE as times changed?—-for better or for worse?

  38. Wow! I thought Gundry’s claims were a bit exaggerated but yours are seriously worse. First may I ask what nutrition has to do with nutrition other than the Cartesian Great Chain of Being!! ?? (Which is an egotistical load of hooey!). Second your information on peanuts is DANGEROUSLY wrong. Gundry might have misattributed things to fit his idea, but peanuts have an antigen in them that creates or intensifies allergies… and not just an allergy to peanuts. Any allergy. Then there’s the fact that aflatoxin, more carcinogenic than PCBS grows on them (and corn) so much so that every truckload is tested. There is a maximum allowable limit, but like lead, no amount is safe. Maximum allowable limit is like Russian roulette. IMO your propaganda against Gundry is worse than Gundry.

  39. I do not consider Dr G or the bible a wise choice for my nutritional guidance. Judging by the comments, many of you do. Personnally, I do not care how much weight you claim to have lost. I am not overweight and very happy following the latest evidence from valid research.

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